I began making poems when I was learning, awkwardly, how to make words. I wanted to say how the sunlight in the kitchen garden bounced off the grass blades and made them shine. That impulse led to poetry submersion in Berkeley in the sixties and an MA from Stanford in Creative Writing in 1978. Then I for­got about the whole thing and became a psychotherapist. A friend challenged (or bullied) me back into writing when he noticed that I thought like a poet. So I plunged back into poetry in the 90s. Favorite teachers have been Seamus Heaney, Jean Valentine, Jane Hirshfield, Kim Addonizio, and Terry Ehret. My poems have appeared in various publications, including The Dark Horse, The Hudson Review, The Nation, the anthology WomanPrayers, Marin Poetry Center anthologies, and Zero-Earth Journal.